# Talk:Anti-Wikia Alliance

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## All Monaco help files which a wikia staff member redirected recreated here

I asked admin air777 to ask the shoutwiki staff to upload the Monaco help files which a wikia staff member redirected on wikia:

I think it would be a good idea to have a home for these here.

Anno1404 22:36, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

The Club Penguin Wiki Network would gladly help out. Just let us know. We'll set up a site. Power to the People! (MAKE a effort) 01:10, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
Update: [1] an shoutwiki admin wrote:
We won't be importing the old help pages used by Wikia, we'll instead write our own help pages as soon as time permits. Some of the images aren't necessary either (Wikia logo comes to mind) and I have the header button images on my laptop.
This is incredibly unrealistic and I don't think it will happen anytime soon, if ever.
So we should probably just continue to transfer the pages here.   —Anno1404 (talkcontribs) 15:42, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

I am planning on sending this out to the 43 former wikias which left later tonight, if you have anything you would like to add be bold and add it, or have any suggestions, please let me know. Anno1404 22:07, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

## Greetings

I am a former (prior to being banned) Admin from the Talisman Online Wiki on Wikia, which successfully moved to Curse.com (along with Wowpedia, GWiki, and PVX Wiki). While I understand your reasoning to a point, there also comes a time where you have to say enough is enough. Wikia has shot itself in the foot with this change. They have lost their credibility with most major gaming companies, so I would guess that the Gaming branch of Wikia will continue to see a decline. The remaining wikis on Wikia will either adapt to the changes that Wikia has forced, or they will also fork to other hosts. The loss of WoWWiki's community, as well as the backing from Blizzard was a major blow to Wikia, and I believe it will not be the last as more of the larger wikis get fed up and leave. For myself however, there is no further planned involvement with Wikia, I am happy with the move to Curse, and am focusing on continuing the work on the Talisman Online Wiki, and I'm sure that Talisman Online@Wikia will simply fade into the obscurity that it enjoyed prior to my adoption of the site. Like Blizzard, Miracle Castle (the publisher of Talisman Online) has fully supported our move and corrected the fansite links on their website. I do not see any need to further campaign against Wikia, their bottom line will show the rewards of their callous treatment of their volunteer communities one way or another and my time and energy is better spent supporting my community (tiny though it is) as well as providing support for other Curse.com wikis (I am now a contracted member of the Curse.com team). I wish you all luck but would seriously recommend you do the same... focus on supporting your communities wherever they are, and let Wikia continue to dig it's own grave. --Wynthyst 08:18, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for visiting and taking the time to comment.
A lot of editors still want to leave and are in the process of building their wikis on their own. The founders of this alliance were wise enough to foresee the need for a list of departing wikias who could help each other. At this point, I see this site as a way to help departing wikias and give advice and viable options to those who still want to leave.
I am very thankful for this site, long after wikia was instituted and I was indefinitely banned, I found out about the new monaco skin available to wikis, and because of this, we are able to work together too merge two former wikias into one.
I respect your desire to focus your energies on building your site alone. I hope you can see the merits of some editors wanting to expand that circle of assistance, to help other communities too.
I will let you focus solely on building your site, and will not post future newsletters on your site.
Congratulations on your move. Visiting your site I noticed it is one of the best designed sites, in the top three. I only wish your community the best. Anno1404 08:34, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for the compliment on our site, and should other gaming wikis be looking for a new home on a full blown gaming network, they should feel free to contact me. My above comments were meant more as a caution to you and your alliance against taking further steps to intentionally disrupt Wikia (the inclusion of the code in the newsletter that you admit will get you banned on wikia). It really serves little purpose. I do applaud your wish to be a resource of advice and support to other communities considering a move from Wikia. My suggestion would be to use other means (email where available) to contact the leaders of those communities who are voicing their concerns about wikia and beginning discussions regarding the possibilities of leaving. Continuing to monitor the status of the wikias that have been "left" by their communities only furthers to strengthen their numbers, rather than allowing them to fall into disrepair and eventual obscurity. It's clear that Wikia's position and policy has changed greatly since Jimmy Wales' interview that you quoted in the newsletter and it is also clear to me that they will actually consider legal action against people they believe are intentionally trying to "damage" them since they have no intention of allowing anyone to "take their content with them when they leave". Or rather you can take a copy of it, but you have to leave the original behind. I'm just suggesting caution. As for the "rest" of my community.. it consists of 3 friends of mine and me. I don't believe for a second that Wikia cares one wit that we left, and they have 1800 more pages about the game Talisman Online than they did when I started, but that's all they will ever have. --Wynthyst 15:23, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
Excellent points, you seem like a really good admin, I will take your great advice to heart sir. Anno1404 19:42, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
I support Wyn's comment: the new changes are no longer new — those who are willing to stay and adapt are doing so; those unwilling to suffer have moved or are trying to do so. The biggest weapon in AWA's arsenal is to make it easy for those groups to find a new home, move their data, and get their new site into shape. Any energy spent dissing Wikia takes time away from Allies in the alliance. 75.36.181.33 20:44, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
I agree, thus the newsletter. We have been actively working to help editors find that new home. I got indefinitely banned, not for dissing wikia, but for letting communities know that shoutwiki has wikia, giving editors an alternative.
RE: "it is also clear to me that they will actually consider legal action against people they believe are intentionally trying to "damage" them"
Wow, any examples? If you come across them, I would be very interested.
it is heartening to see over a month since the new skin, and communities continue to leave. Anno1404 20:55, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

## Incorrect info

The information you have on the alternative wiki hosts seem wrong?

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It also seems biased towards shoutwiki. I guess that's okay seeing as this wiki is hosted there, but please don't disparage other hosts unnecessarily.

eg, Wikkii is not 1GB space, its unlimited. And not 10GB bandwidth, it's unlimited.

You also say about Wikkii "First edit on the wiki main page was only in June 2009, so may not be there in the long term. (Many of these sites don't last)"

But you also recommend Shoutwiki which was started April 2009, a whole TWO MONTHS before. That doesn't make sense.

And what about these really big wiki hosts you don't list, like Wikihost.org, Wikidot.com, atwiki.com, bluwiki.com, editthis.info. They all have been around for AGES compared to Shoutwiki and Wikkii but you don't suggest them.

you can add all of that information --including warning about shoutwiki too. We welcome it. Anno1404 05:28, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
We can add the info from http://editthis.info/wiki/wiki_hosting_comparison_guide. Perhaps we can also add the info about the MW version used. AWAMember (Talk page, Mail me). 19:12, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

## Monaco Is up!

See http://blog.shoutwiki.com/2010/12/merry-christmas/ --Hockeyben 00:14, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

## Christmas

Kinda funny, for Christmas shoutwiki gives us Monaco skin, and wikia gives us some lame contests. <Hockeyben 04:28, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

don't worry hockey, your shoutwiki monaco skin announcement will not be buried!
Can you give me the link to the wikia contests? I like AWA's game better.   —Anno1404 (talkcontribs) 04:32, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Here is the link http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Sarah_Manley/Happy_Holidays_from_Wikia. --Hockeyben 20:44, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

The only difference I have noticed between shoutwikis and wikias Monaco is the recent activity menu, and there is no create a page tab. Hockeyben 04:20, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

## UserScript?

Here is a userscript/userjs to redirect hyperlinks to the wikis left by AWA members to their new sites Script You may edit and use. (unsigned editor)

thank you.   —Anno1404 (talkcontribs) 16:24, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Please can you make the userscript hosted/maintained by the AWA? as I'm lazy -The OP (mandrke)
Here it is: awa_wiki_redirect_tfwiki.user.js AWAMember (Talk page, Mail me). 17:15, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

## Oasis on Sickapedia

For all Oasis haters, here you go. Space! Wait, whut?! 00:32, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

awesome! maybe we should add that to the Mediawiki:sitenotice? thoughts?   —Anno1404 (talkcontribs) 16:26, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
Great! This is perfect! (This unsigned comment was from TheHappySpaceman

## Backup of this wiki

Shoutwiki was down yesterday, so I decided to do a backup of these files again, you can too, just add these names to Special:Export.

I think this is most of them.   —Anno1404 (talkcontribs) 22:50, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

## new user box

 This user has proudly been indefinitely banned from Wikia. e

The AWA box is older.

—Anno1404 (talkcontribs) 02:34, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

## tropicalwikis.com broken

I removed this:

|-
![http://www.tropicalwikis.com/wiki/Main_Page TropicalWikis]
|We listen to your needs. If most of you don't want a new skin we've made, we'll make it optional for those few that might want it, still making it possible for other '''good''' skins! Founded by [http://www.tropicalwikis.com/wiki/User:Seahorseruler Seahorseruler] and [http://www.tropicalwikis.com/wiki/User:Frozen_Wind Frozen Wind].
|align=center|


If the site is added back, only information that should be included is:

"Skin options available", and maybe the date the site went live. Currently it sounds like an ad.   —Anno1404 (talkcontribs) 16:01, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

If you remove the www. part it should work. I've rewrote it for you as well.
|-
![http://tropicalwikis.com/wiki/Main_Page TropicalWikis]
|Skin options available, customizations not possible online may be requested
|align=center|

Power to the People! (MAKE a effort) 06:08, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

## IMPORTANT NOTICE

ALL DANTMAN MONACO QUESTIONS GO HERE. Thank you, Jeff -- (ChitChat) 05:01, 28 December 2010 (UTC).

I moved all dantman monaco questions to the same page. Nice idea. I was considering it myself, and I am glad you jumped on it.   —Anno1404 (talkcontribs) 15:52, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

## Sharing is caring

Thought id share the wikia i just made here hehehe {{SUBST:User:Escyos/autosig}} 11:13, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

## Removing Shoutwiki's recommended status

Unfortunately, I feel like I have to remove Shoutwiki's recommended status here. The frequent down times and the extremely slow load speeds made me drop it from "recommended" to 3 stars.

Ironically, I would have done this a couple of days ago, but the site was so slow, I was unable to change it.

As this is a wiki, anyone is welcome to revert my changes. But please explain here why. I hope things change soon, so we can re-recommend the site. I will continue to monitor this site.   —Anno1404 (talkcontribs) 15:49, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

## Wikia's view page numbers

 To the people looking, the metric to watch on quantcast is pageviews per person, ideally per week or per month; it measures the extent to which Wikia can get people to return and the extent to which it relies on new traffic via search engines etc.; those numbers are falling. (You can also use these numbers to estimate the "quality" of a wiki.) Since the stated goal of the new skin was to get new readers to stay on longer, from those numbers the skin has failed; it's a bit hard to tell because many active editors leaving Wikia would naturally also cause the average to drop. Wikia monitors other metrics via other tracking services, so they probably know more than we do, but apparently don't tell. --◄mendel► 06:57, December 12, 2010 (UTC) The main other one we use is Google Analytics (and I'm very much hoping that they will be displayed publicly on wikis in the future -- but that's a preliminary project and it's probably too soon to even mention it right now ;) -- Sannse@Wikia (help forum | blog) 05:32, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

According to quantcast, since the new skin it looks like wikias page views are flat at best. The sharp drop in late December gave me pause, then I realized it was probably because of Christmas, and their was a similar sharp drop the year before.

What is interesting is what accounts for the spikes? I think one is the release of Fallout New Vegas.   —Anno1404 (talkcontribs) 16:38, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

## Give us choice or give us a block!

With all the merging I can't figure out who originally added this, but inst it supposed to be give us death? 01:22, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Yeah... (sounds kinda weird the old way)

## Time to move awa?

The lag on shoutwiki is just terrible guys.

We can host awa on my server, which is currently used for deadrisingwiki.com. Unless someone has a better place to go. I would rather we host it somewhere else other than my server myself.

We will need to buy a url, but they are only around $10. I will ask the battlestar.com editor if we can be hosted there too. Of the two bureaucrats: Smiley has left wikia, and Air is on wiki-vacation. I can still message him when we decide where. —Anno1404 (talkcontribs) 18:09, 3 January 2011 (UTC) Guys, sorry, but I have to agree with Anno1404. Shoutwiki has been very slow and unstable recently. How can I promote or advertise the site if it keep showing "Server not found" message?. AWAMember (Talk page, Mail me). 19:21, 3 January 2011 (UTC) I agree. For now, we can move to Anno's hosting. (I also have hosting available on DreamHost, just contact me for more.) Power to the People! (MAKE a effort) 01:18, 4 January 2011 (UTC) I would rather use someone's hosting. It is hard enough dealing with my large communities constant demands with my limited computer prowess. —Anno1404 (talkcontribs) 18:08, 4 January 2011 (UTC) Use mime :) Power to the People! (MAKE a effort) 23:18, 5 January 2011 (UTC) ## Galleries showing pictures without file: like wikia This is so big! Every wiki which wikia leaves should know about this, it will save hundreds of hours! I worked on it for months, AND THE SOLUTION IS SO EASY! (thanks to otherworldbob) I also posted this on the recent fork of this site, monaco wiki, but I find it will save editors so much time, I need to post it here too. In the <gallery> tags on wikia, you don't need image: or file: how can I do this on my wiki? For example on wikia this works, on regular mediawiki it does not: <gallery> thequickfox.png overthemoon.png elephant.gif </gallery> UPDATE: SOLUTION!!!! SOLUTION which works!: In: \includes\parser\Parser.php Change:$tp = Title::newFromText( $matches[1]/*, NS_FILE*/ ); To:$tp = Title::newFromText( \$matches[1], NS_FILE );

Original post: [2]

—Anno1404 (talkcontribs) 22:11, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Wikia intentionally broke galleries so things like that would happen on people moving from Wikia. One of the incompatible changes was the File/Image namespace omited. Another incompatible change is that the widths parameter should have the "px" appended to it, but Wikia made it optional, so if you have galery widths="150" you need to change it to widths="150px" in order to work in other wikis. See [3] --Ciencia Al Poder 17:34, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

## If wikia brings back monaco

If wikia decides to bring Monaco back, will any of you return? I will not, they have shwon their true colors and i want nothing to do with them. {{SUBST:User:Escyos/autosig}} 23:11, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

fascinating thought, where in gods name are you getting this idea though--please share. Kind of annoying if you read this somewhere and didnt post the relevant info here!   —Anno1404 (talkcontribs) 10:38, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
no i was posing a hypothetical questions - probably should have mentioned that. Anyway on another, similar, note the while Anti Wikia Alliance makes it seem your against wikia, not the skin. Not that I care, i hate Wiki (both the site and the skin). {{SUBST:User:Escyos/autosig}} 07:52, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
I think only the mass exodus may force them to return the Monaco.
As for AWA - we are against the wikias ways of doing business, such as: Applying a new crappy skin with a lots of ads place AND making it mandatory for unregistered visitors DESPITE the massive complaints, Denying the possibility to change the dafault skin for a guests, A lot of prohibitions in their Customization policy preventing us from making the good-looking articles. For example you cant move the "Recent Wiki Activity" to the left fr the whole wiki, only for yourself. You can not move or block the ads. But this way they are not making the article look good. There are more things prohibited. See Terms of Use. Mainly the are to make sure ads are present and located where the Wikia (NOT you) wants.
If you are tired of this management and their ways of business, then we are here to help with the moving out of there. AWAMember (Talk page, Mail me). 12:31, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

well i moved long ago and am very happy, all i have to look out for is angry wikia users who want to vandalise my wiki so their crappy unrealible one seems better. {{SUBST:User:Escyos/autosig}} 23:06, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

## Skins

Once Shoutwiki has Vector skin they will have 3 good skins to wikias 1. (Monaco, Vector, Monobook) Vs Just Monobook. All S.W. really needs to do is improve site performance (Its been better over the last couple days). --Hockeyben 19:54, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

You are a great cheerleader for shoutwiki. Please keep us informed of all new events.   —Anno1404 (talkcontribs) 16:12, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

## Embrace, extend and extinguish

Embrace, extend and extinguish

Also posted here: Why_we_left#Embrace.2C_extend_and_extinguish

Ciencia Al Poder a fellow Anti Wikia Alliance member and a co-creator of one of the core extensions, LinkSuggest described Wikia as using a Embrace, extend and extinguish strategy to prevent or make it more difficult to take the content of wikia to another wiki hosting provider.[4]

"Embrace, extend and extinguish," also known as "Embrace, extend and exterminate," is a phrase that the U.S. Department of Justice found was used internally by Microsoft to describe its strategy for entering product fields which had widely used and open programming, advancing the programming but applying copyright, and then using those differences to disadvantage its competitors.

Although built on the free and open Mediawiki software, Wikia regularly creates extensions and skins which programming can only work on Wikia. Finding the source coding for Wikia extensions and skins are difficult if not impossible. Unlike Wikipedia, which lists links with all coding for all of its extensions in use, Wikia does not list links to their products.

This forces Wikia editors to remain on Wikia to keep all features that their community has grown accustomed too.

Contacting wikia extension creators

So, since most of the editors who are the most angry about Wikia's new skin are experienced veteran editors with some programming experience, I am wondering if some of the extension creators are disgruntled too? I am interested if there is a memo floating around or some external emails in which Wikia explicitly states that wikia extensions and skins should be intentionally so wikia centric, that it makes it difficult for editors to leave wikia.

I was thinking we could contact these extension creators, all listed here:

Thoughts?   —Anno1404 (talkcontribs) 16:12, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

1) We may contact the creators and ask if they can publish their extensions available for everyone.
2) I still do not fully understand the point of "Embrace, extend and extinguish". Wikia had changed the extensions and now they do not need some parameters for using. Why must wikia publish this extensions? The text states "using those differences to disadvantage its competitors". If you like it or not - this is the way the business is running. A company can and will use its advantages over their competitors. If one doesn`t like it - one if free to go away from this provider.
And what exact inconveniences may be when you are trying to use the content on other sites? It is not a very big problem to add the px yourself. Not working extension? Yes - do you really expect them to work outside wikia?
Nobody forces you to stay on wikia or prevents you from moving. AWAMember 20:03, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
I got a full understanding of the concept when I read the full wikia article. I strongly suggest reading it. I like it a lot.
Mediawiki extensions are built to work on all wikis. See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix
The skins are the biggest problems, as you know we have an entire shoutwiki site dedicated to figuring out how to make Monaco work on all wikis. It took shoutwiki months to fix monaco.
The way the skin is made specifically for wikia causes a barrier to leaving. Whether intentional or unintentional.   —Anno1404 (talkcontribs) 20:39, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
1)We now have Monaco-port. So the skin should not be the main problem for leaving.
2)...wikia extensions and skins should be intentionally so wikia centric...
Once extension is modified for a particular site, it becomes site-centric. Same with wikia - I do not think they made it to make the leaving more difficult. They have modified it for their site. And of course, you will not find this modification on external hostings. I guess the same will be with SW - a SW-specific extension(s) will be unavailable on other sites and may be a barrier for leaving.
3) What do you want to ask the extensions creators?
AWAMember (Talk page, Mail me). 07:37, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

## AWA potentially the wikileaks of Wikia?

I am interested if we could become the wikileaks of Wikia? Maybe setting up a page here asking disgruntled editors to email us at a certain place?

This leads to all sorts of questions,

1. would shoutwiki allow such a page,
2. is it very possible wikia would threaten shoutwiki?
3. Do we need to move the site to create a Wikia wikileaks?
4. Should we actively search for discontent on wikia and solicit disgruntled editors?

Thoughts?   —Anno1404 (talkcontribs) 16:12, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

We do not need any troubles for Wikia so I guess staying on SW or leaving to a separate host make no difference as they can find us anywhere.
Instead of saying "wikia may be bad for you" let us just help people to move from there.
AWAMember 20:19, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
I don't want to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Don%27t_stuff_beans_up_your_nose This is not an issue of them finding us.
We can continue to help people move from wikia. We can focus on both. Nothing increases peoples interest in a project like a scandal.   —Anno1404 (talkcontribs) 20:42, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
I am not following the "Don't stuff beans up your nose" idea. Do we tell someone not to do something?
If you want a scandal you have to add more "Why I left Wikia" stories. The more stories we have the more people will know about it. AWAMember (Talk page, Mail me).
I will email you :)   —Anno1404 (talkcontribs) 17:17, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

## Unsolicited emails being sent from "wikiavisitor@yahoo.com"

Unsolicited emails being sent from "wikiavisitor@yahoo.com"

—Anno1404 (talkcontribs) 16:13, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

## How can I get Anti-Wikia Alliance Newsletter without move out wiki?

How can I get Anti-Wikia Alliance Newsletter without move out wiki?--LTSC1980 23:24, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

what is "move out wiki"   —Anno1404 (talkcontribs) 03:57, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
LTSC1980, you do not need a move out wiki (wiki, moved from wikia.com) to read the Newsletter. You can read it here: Newsletter. AWAMember (Talk page, Mail me). 06:56, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

## Anti WIKIA Alliance

I am against wikia as a company as well as the skin. {{SUBST:User:Escyos/autosig}} 07:37, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I will ensure wikias complete destruction! {{SUBST:User:Escyos/autosig}} 05:32, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

## Shoutwiki may be becoming Wikia

1. They are asking for money to use a popular skin (money is coming into play, despite the skin being avalible on two other wiki farms and freely avalibale for other wikis)
2. They gave steward rights to LIMAFOX76 on my stargate site and i think their going to "wikia" me out of it instead of deleting the wiki like I want

If they do I will spam the crap out of them so they get on spam blocklists as well as steer people away from them completely. Escyos 05:26, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Don't spam the crap out of them. It's unfair to users who like it here. Regarding Monaco, I'm going to say to the staff that there is no chance that anyone will buy Monaco as wikkii and tw have it for free.
—Hockeyben (talkcontribs) 14:33, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

This shows:
http://stargate.shoutwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=bureaucrat
that LIMAFOX76 became a bureaucrat 3 days before you did.   —Anno1404 (talkcontribs) 02:56, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
that is when his account was created on SHOUTWIKI not on the Stargate site. Escyos 10:36, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Nah, I don't think they're becoming wikia. When they start banning users, that's when they'll become wikia, and that hasn't happened yet.
—Hockeyben (talkcontribs) 18:04, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

If you want to dispute something (such as one of our Community Support team giving steward rights to someone on your wiki), please do so in a civilized manner and contact us on IRC or via Special:Contact. Going on random talk pages that we don't visit regularly isn't a good way to get your issue resolved, and just makes it seem like you're trying to go out of your way to (bluntly speaking) talk shit about us, which isn't exactly appreciated when our Community Support team would be more than happy to work with you to resolve your issue had you actually come up to them to begin with.
As for money, yes, everything is about money. Hosting a wiki farm is not cheap, despite what you may think. Unlike Wikia who are putting obtrusive ads inside of pages to get their revenue to run the sites, we are using less obtrusive ad placements and we also have far less users, so we need other ways to cover costs. Our premium features system, once we get it fully fleshed out, is the solution to that. --Skizzerz 19:31, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Solar Dragon emailed me and said that my site was no longer affiliated with the simpsons one because i spouted some anti-shoutwiki stuff. Looks an awful lot like its becoming the new Wikia. Escyos 05:21, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
You handled this really badly: [5][6] Deleting pages, calling the editor a dick. etc. I note you unfortunately lost your bureaucratic rights also.
Solar dragon is not shoutwiki staff, so you can't attribute what he does to shoutwiki staff.
Also, in my experience Solar is a good editor. Whereas if I recall the arguments with you and UxieLover1994 on the blog were so absurd they bordered on childish.
When the whole world is saying you are the problem, is it the whole world that has a problem, or you?
Shame it had to come to this.  —Anno1404 (talkcontribs) 18:03, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Escyos, I am just fed up of you blaming ShoutWiki for everything. Staff are allowed to keep Stargate Wiki open as you didn't open a community discussion and it wasn't planned etc. You just moved it yourself to keep yourself happy. I hope Stargate Wiki does well, but all you really did in the split that you didn't handle well was make another competitior. I don't have anything against you or Silver Knight (who got a global block from staff for his behaviour) but I don't like you guys blaming ShoutWiki for all the problems. Sure, they took a while in fixing it but they are not Wikia. They didn't start blocking users for going against ShoutWiki. They blocked users because of their disruptive behaviour to ShoutWiki and their abuse of staff. They are not Wikia, far from it, and they are Wikia's main competitor. ☆☆ 18:22, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

## Monaco

Kinda funny, Wikia is now the only wikifarm without Monaco. Shoutwiki, Tropicalwikis, and Wikkii all have Monaco. I think one of the reasons SW asks for cash for the Monaco skin is that it's alot nicer than the Monaco-port version. All the old themes are saved, the latest activity in the sidebar is also saved. --
—Hockeyben (talkcontribs) 19:24, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

well then someone's gotta explain:
• monaco-port: looks more like monaco til Wikia slayed it to death
• sw monaco: from 2008?
75.137.144.54 20:58, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

## Wikia trying to censor

Hi, I want to share with you a funny thing.

I created a week ago a blog page on community wikia [7] about Wikia breaking search suggestions in monobook. I have to admit that I was probably too harsh on that blog, so I wasn't surprised to have a message [8] from Sarah Manley suggesting to move on to another site that better fits me, and asking for an online chat to talk (?). I replied her [9] 17 minutes after her comment, but I didn't receive any other message.

No more notices until 3 days after, when I posted this comment on a forum page about ads on Wikia and why Wikia misteriously keep redirecting you to the main page when you delete any page [10]. Then I received another message from Sarah [11], this time asking me to take a break from participating in community central discussions.

I though she was upset because of the blog page, but if you see when she post messages on my talk page, and the messages itself, it seems she was upset that I posted publicly that Wikia forces a redirect after deletion to force the admins to see the ads on main page.

This is clearly Wikia trying to censor those comments that weren't disrespectful with the community team. --Ciencia Al Poder 15:57, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Good read. Not terribly surprising, tho.
—Hockeyben (talkcontribs) 01:15, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

## Sites with monaco

• ShoutWiki
• Wikkii
• TropicalWikis

Without Monaco

• Wikia

Just pointing this out. --
—Hockeyben (talkcontribs) 17:46, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

## MediaWiki wiki farms

See Category:MediaWiki wiki farms at WikiIndex. --Timeshifter 08:49, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for link. Nothing new here. We have info on Wikifarm.
—Hockeyben (talkcontribs) 16:18, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't currently see any links on that page. --74.139.21.157 19:20, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
{{so fix it}}? Ok, links added. --Ciencia Al Poder 13:42, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. --Timeshifter 18:48, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

## Joined

So I decided to join this place as I notice that ShoutWiki is a better wiki farm and is in more of a need in terms of help. Am I welcome aboard? I did help with Invader ZIM and Video Games on ShoutWiki after all. Gazlene the Pork Girl (talk) 16:59, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Of course! You can write about your experience --Ciencia Al Poder (talk) 09:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

## Russian Anti-Wikia Alliance

Hello! And why not create a similar project in Russian? Вуллф Юларен (talk) 15:42, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

I don't know Russian, but feel free to create ru.awa.shoutwiki.com. Since that may be a lot of redundancy, you may consider translating some important pages in russian directly on this wiki if that makes sense. --Ciencia Al Poder (talk) 16:05, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Well. I will try to create such a website. And, behold, as the success of the Alliance? Вуллф Юларен (talk) 16:08, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

## Possible demande d'entrée de Wiki SWGDM dans l'Anti Wikia-Alliance

Bonjour , je me présente je suis JohnConnor1 l'administrateur du fameux Wiki SWGDM et je vous écrit car Wikia a réçamment fait une mise à jour qui a modifié l'apparence de mon encyclopédie web , cependant je suis contre cette idée sur les pages fluides et donc il est possible que si ces derniers refusent de faire la modification que je quitte la communauté officielle de wikia aussi justement je souhaîterais savoir si vous series disposés à m'accepter dans votre alliance et si vous pourriez retirer la mise à jour qu'ils ont fait sur le Wiki SWGDM.

Pour me contacter voiçi mon adresse:dark.sit@live.fr —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.59.81.127 (talkcontribs)

Hello. Well, AWA was done when Wikia forced the Oasis skin (which now has been changed to be "Fluid", but still Oasis), to help people that wanted to move their wikis to an alternate host that would let them choose the default skin for the wiki and have freedom about how customize the skin. We can't bring back the previous look to your wiki. --Ciencia Al Poder (talk) 21:29, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

## Edit blocked by spam filter

Ok obviously this has nothing to do with anything important, but...anyway I tried to edit the main page to remove the 'template:' prefix from the nav template at the top and the underscores from a link, and it told me my edit was blocked by the spam filter because of the blacklisted external link 'mywikibiz[dot]com'. (And now it's blocking this edit because of that text...) Now I wasn't putting that link on the page, it doesn't seem to be on the lines I was trying to edit, and I didn't even realise it was anywhere on the page, so what's the deal? Llwy-ar-lawr (talk) 15:59, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Also, why is there no 'new section' button on talk pages in this skin like there is with every other skin I've had experience with? Llwy-ar-lawr (talk) 16:08, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
...ok fine, I see the blacklisted link is on the page somewhere - which begs two questions: a) why is the filter blocking any edits made above that text (seems to be what it's doing), and b) why is it blacklisted if it's listed here as a wiki host? Llwy-ar-lawr (talk) 16:16, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
The blacklist comes from Shoutwiki. maybe there was some spam going on for that hosting on shoutwiki and they decided to blacklist it. Anyway, I see that it's going to delete a lot of pages and restrict account creation, and all pages are in a single wiki, so I guess it's not even suitable for most people looking for a wiki hosting, so I'm going to remove it. --Ciencia Al Poder (talk) 20:36, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Well, if the spam filter no longer blocks it, we may keep it listed here. --Ciencia Al Poder (talk) 20:45, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Probably a good idea to remove it for those reasons, yes, and one might also note that their recent changes are full of spam so it doesn't look to me like a whole lot of useful stuff is going on there. Llwy-ar-lawr (talk) 01:24, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Agreed. Done, --Ciencia Al Poder (talk) 18:20, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

## Interwiki templates on Inciclopedia

Not sure where to put this but anyway, this seems to have happened. The template for making English interwiki links (but not the other ones, weirdly enough) has been deleted because it violated the terms of service I think, and apparently it's my fault or something because I changed how the links were done... I don't know really. I'm sorry if I got Inciclopedia in trouble, maybe you should consider moving now since they've gone and messed stuff up? Llwy-ar-lawr (talk) 22:35, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Seriously, WTF happened there? I created that template [12] and your changes made all of them to be red links. --Ciencia Al Poder (talk) 15:47, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
I did not make anything a red link. Dark delegation deleted it which made it a red link. Before that I had changed the code so that it used a real interwiki link rather than an external link, but it began with cy: and then had the language prefix. I did this so that using these interwiki templates would have the same effect on the google rank of the sites that regular interwiki links had. Llwy-ar-lawr (talk) 18:48, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
Btw this is what really happened. The Welsh interwiki prefix has now been removed by wikia, causing the templates to break, presumably because of its usage in those templates. Llwy-ar-lawr (talk) 02:58, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

## Lost Media Wiki joins the bandwagon

Hi everyone. Wikia have recently begun imposing their bullshit on my website, The Lost Media Wiki, and their fanboys are out in full force to try and justify their thievery. Needless to say, I am absolutely furious. I'm really glad I discovered this community, the fact that Wikia are doing this is completely unacceptable. If you wanna read more about this complete load of fuck, you can do so here http://lostmedia.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:16038

Dycaite (talk) 03:01, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

You have all my support. The move is more successful if you control the social media associated with your wiki (like twitter account for the wiki, facebook, youtube, etc) --Ciencia Al Poder (talk) 18:51, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks and sorry about the excessive language, I've since calmed down somewhat, hah... Dycaite (talk) 04:27, 17 October 2014 (UTC)