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All questions and new solutions to the Dantman Monaco port should go here.

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All Monaco help files which a wikia staff member redirected recreated here
I asked admin air777 to ask the shoutwiki staff to upload the Monaco help files which a wikia staff member redirected on wikia:

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B3MLj1JyAiwoNGZhZWJkMmItYTQzZS00YjMyLWIzMzAtY2E3NzRhZWM1YzYx&sort=name&layout=list&num=50

I think it would be a good idea to have a home for these here.

Anno1404 22:36, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The Club Penguin Wiki Network would gladly help out. Just let us know. We'll set up a site. Power to the People! (MAKE a effort) 01:10, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Update: an shoutwiki admin wrote:
 * We won't be importing the old help pages used by Wikia, we'll instead write our own help pages as soon as time permits. Some of the images aren't necessary either (Wikia logo comes to mind) and I have the header button images on my laptop.
 * This is incredibly unrealistic and I don't think it will happen anytime soon, if ever.
 * So we should probably just continue to transfer the pages here.  —Anno1404 (talk • contribs) Admin.svg 15:42, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Newsletter/Draft
I am planning on sending this out to the 43 former wikias which left later tonight, if you have anything you would like to add be bold and add it, or have any suggestions, please let me know. Anno1404 22:07, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Greetings
I am a former (prior to being banned) Admin from the Talisman Online Wiki on Wikia, which successfully moved to Curse.com (along with Wowpedia, GWiki, and PVX Wiki). While I understand your reasoning to a point, there also comes a time where you have to say enough is enough. Wikia has shot itself in the foot with this change. They have lost their credibility with most major gaming companies, so I would guess that the Gaming branch of Wikia will continue to see a decline. The remaining wikis on Wikia will either adapt to the changes that Wikia has forced, or they will also fork to other hosts. The loss of WoWWiki's community, as well as the backing from Blizzard was a major blow to Wikia, and I believe it will not be the last as more of the larger wikis get fed up and leave. For myself however, there is no further planned involvement with Wikia, I am happy with the move to Curse, and am focusing on continuing the work on the Talisman Online Wiki, and I'm sure that Talisman Online@Wikia will simply fade into the obscurity that it enjoyed prior to my adoption of the site. Like Blizzard, Miracle Castle (the publisher of Talisman Online) has fully supported our move and corrected the fansite links on their website. I do not see any need to further campaign against Wikia, their bottom line will show the rewards of their callous treatment of their volunteer communities one way or another and my time and energy is better spent supporting my community (tiny though it is) as well as providing support for other Curse.com wikis (I am now a contracted member of the Curse.com team). I wish you all luck but would seriously recommend you do the same... focus on supporting your communities wherever they are, and let Wikia continue to dig it's own grave. --Wynthyst 08:18, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for visiting and taking the time to comment.
 * A lot of editors still want to leave and are in the process of building their wikis on their own. The founders of this alliance were wise enough to foresee the need for a list of departing wikias who could help each other. At this point, I see this site as a way to help departing wikias and give advice and viable options to those who still want to leave.
 * I am very thankful for this site, long after wikia was instituted and I was indefinitely banned, I found out about the new monaco skin available to wikis, and because of this, we are able to work together too merge two former wikias into one.
 * I respect your desire to focus your energies on building your site alone. I hope you can see the merits of some editors wanting to expand that circle of assistance, to help other communities too.
 * I will let you focus solely on building your site, and will not post future newsletters on your site.
 * Congratulations on your move. Visiting your site I noticed it is one of the best designed sites, in the top three. I only wish your community the best. Anno1404 08:34, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the compliment on our site, and should other gaming wikis be looking for a new home on a full blown gaming network, they should feel free to contact me. My above comments were meant more as a caution to you and your alliance against taking further steps to intentionally disrupt Wikia (the inclusion of the code in the newsletter that you admit will get you banned on wikia). It really serves little purpose. I do applaud your wish to be a resource of advice and support to other communities considering a move from Wikia. My suggestion would be to use other means (email where available) to contact the leaders of those communities who are voicing their concerns about wikia and beginning discussions regarding the possibilities of leaving. Continuing to monitor the status of the wikias that have been "left" by their communities only furthers to strengthen their numbers, rather than allowing them to fall into disrepair and eventual obscurity. It's clear that Wikia's position and policy has changed greatly since Jimmy Wales' interview that you quoted in the newsletter and it is also clear to me that they will actually consider legal action against people they believe are intentionally trying to "damage" them since they have no intention of allowing anyone to "take their content with them when they leave". Or rather you can take a copy of it, but you have to leave the original behind. I'm just suggesting caution. As for the "rest" of my community.. it consists of 3 friends of mine and me. I don't believe for a second that Wikia cares one wit that we left, and they have 1800 more pages about the game Talisman Online than they did when I started, but that's all they will ever have. --Wynthyst 15:23, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Excellent points, you seem like a really good admin, I will take your great advice to heart sir. Anno1404 19:42, 18 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I support Wyn's comment: the new changes are no longer new &mdash; those who are willing to stay and adapt are doing so; those unwilling to suffer have moved or are trying to do so. The biggest weapon in AWA's arsenal is to make it easy for those groups to find a new home, move their data, and get their new site into shape. Any energy spent dissing Wikia takes time away from Allies in the alliance. 75.36.181.33 20:44, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree, thus the newsletter. We have been actively working to help editors find that new home. I got indefinitely banned, not for dissing wikia, but for letting communities know that shoutwiki has wikia, giving editors an alternative.
 * RE: "it is also clear to me that they will actually consider legal action against people they believe are intentionally trying to "damage" them"
 * Wow, any examples? If you come across them, I would be very interested.
 * it is heartening to see over a month since the new skin, and communities continue to leave. Anno1404 20:55, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Incorrect info
The information you have on the alternative wiki hosts seem wrong?

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It also seems biased towards shoutwiki. I guess that's okay seeing as this wiki is hosted there, but please don't disparage other hosts unnecessarily.

eg, Wikkii is not 1GB space, its unlimited. And not 10GB bandwidth, it's unlimited.

You also say about Wikkii "First edit on the wiki main page was only in June 2009, so may not be there in the long term. (Many of these sites don't last)"

But you also recommend Shoutwiki which was started April 2009, a whole TWO MONTHS before. That doesn't make sense.

And what about these really big wiki hosts you don't list, like Wikihost.org, Wikidot.com, atwiki.com, bluwiki.com, editthis.info. They all have been around for AGES compared to Shoutwiki and Wikkii but you don't suggest them.
 * you can add all of that information --including warning about shoutwiki too. We welcome it. Anno1404 05:28, 21 December 2010 (UTC)


 * We can add the info from http://editthis.info/wiki/wiki_hosting_comparison_guide. Perhaps we can also add the info about the MW version used. AWAMember (Talk page, Mail me). 19:12, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Monaco Is up!
See http://blog.shoutwiki.com/2010/12/merry-christmas/ --Hockeyben 00:14, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Christmas
Kinda funny, for Christmas shoutwiki gives us Monaco skin, and wikia gives us some lame contests. (talk • contribs) Admin.svg 04:32, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Here is the link http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Sarah_Manley/Happy_Holidays_from_Wikia. --Hockeyben 20:44, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

The only difference I have noticed between shoutwikis and wikias Monaco is the recent activity menu, and there is no create a page tab. Hockeyben 04:20, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

UserScript?
Here is a userscript/userjs to redirect hyperlinks to the wikis left by AWA members to their new sites Script You may edit and use. (unsigned editor)
 * thank you.  —Anno1404 (talk • contribs) Admin.svg 16:24, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Oasis on Sickapedia
For all Oasis haters, here you go. Space! Wait, whut?! 00:32, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * awesome! maybe we should add that to the Mediawiki:sitenotice? thoughts?  —Anno1404 (talk • contribs) Admin.svg 16:26, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Great! This is perfect! (This unsigned comment was from TheHappySpaceman

Backup of this wiki
Shoutwiki was down yesterday, so I decided to do a backup of these files again, you can too, just add these names to Special:Export.

I think this is most of them. —Anno1404 (talk • contribs) 22:50, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

new user box
The AWA box is older.

—Anno1404 (talk • contribs) 02:34, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

tropicalwikis.com broken
I removed this: !TropicalWikis
 * We listen to your needs. If most of you don't want a new skin we've made, we'll make it optional for those few that might want it, still making it possible for other good skins! Founded by Seahorseruler and Frozen Wind.
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The link is broken.

If the site is added back, only information that should be included is:

"Skin options available", and maybe the date the site went live. Currently it sounds like an ad.  —Anno1404 (talk • contribs)  16:01, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

IMPORTANT NOTICE
ALL DANTMAN MONACO QUESTIONS GO HERE. Thank you, Jeff -- (ChitChat) 05:01, 28 December 2010 (UTC).
 * I moved all dantman monaco questions to the same page. Nice idea. I was considering it myself, and I am glad you jumped on it.  —Anno1404 (talk • contribs) Admin.svg 15:52, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Sharing is caring
Thought id share the wikia i just made here hehehe 11:13, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Removing Shoutwiki's recommended status
Unfortunately, I feel like I have to remove Shoutwiki's recommended status here. The frequent down times and the extremely slow load speeds made me drop it from "recommended" to 3 stars.

Ironically, I would have done this a couple of days ago, but the site was so slow, I was unable to change it.

As this is a wiki, anyone is welcome to revert my changes. But please explain here why. I hope things change soon, so we can re-recommend the site. I will continue to monitor this site. —Anno1404 (talk • contribs) 15:49, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Wikia's view page numbers
From: http://www.quantcast.com/wikia.com

From http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Sannse :

According to quantcast, since the new skin it looks like wikias page views are flat at best. The sharp drop in late December gave me pause, then I realized it was probably because of Christmas, and their was a similar sharp drop the year before.

What is interesting is what accounts for the spikes? I think one is the release of Fallout New Vegas. —Anno1404 (talk • contribs) 16:38, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Give us choice or give us a block!
With all the merging I can't figure out who originally added this, but inst it supposed to be give us death? 01:22, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah... (sounds kinda weird the old way)