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Club Penguin wiki has the Monaco Skin
Moved from Talk:Monaco Skin

It says here that Club Penguin wiki successfully installed Monaco. I can't go there and ask how they did it right now since the sites blocked on this computer, but how did they do that? Does anyone know? http://www.shoutwiki.com/w/images/hub/3/36/P.png Jax - Kenobi  http://www.shoutwiki.com/w/images/hub/3/36/P.png 15:53, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I think they used https://github.com/dantman/monaco-port and then modified to make it look like they wanted. Look at this picture:


 * It would be good if they will tell us what did they do to make it look like this. AWAMember 17:26, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * If I could get this successful installed, I can make a tutorial video for people. Anno1404 18:14, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The installation itself is not very hard:


 * 1) Put Monaco.php in the \skins\ directory of your wikia.
 * 2) Create the "Monaco" folder in the \skins\ directory and put these files in "Monaco" folder.
 * 3) To make this skin available for choosing, re-enter the your preferences.


 * Now comes the harder part - configuring the skin. AWAMember 08:12, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Struck out obsolete instructions, see below for newer instructions. Anno1404 21:32, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The installation instructions have actually changed. Install the whole monaco-port to skins/monaco/ and include  in your LocalSettings.php. 96.48.209.185 19:25, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Monaco pictures
To make the monaco-port looks like the Monaco as closely as possibly I sugget we find pictures of Monaco skin.

I also want to see how was the "recent activity" box made on Monaco. AWAMember 08:56, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * there is a Monaco skins page with several examples:
 * http://help.wikia.com/index.php?title=Help:Examples_of_customized_Monaco_skins&oldid=18457
 * This template I created may help:
 * http://help.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Custom
 * All the pages have been redirected, so to view them, you have to go into history.
 * I emailed the author of this port, Daniel Friesen (Dantman). He wrote:
 * I don't really have any plans for (making Mediawiki compatible with 1.15). MediaWiki 1.16 is the current stable, it's not going to be that long before 1.15 is no longer supported, and MediaWiki 1.17 is going to be released sometime soon... it's time to upgrade. Also, 1.15 compatibility would add a really big mess to the skin.
 * The monaco-port project is only 1/3 finished... it's not even usable as a skin yet anyways.
 * You can see there are still problems. I emailed the author, Dantman, letting him know about this posting. Anno1404 15:19, 14 December 2010 (UTC)


 * As for compatibility - we just need to wait until ShoutWiki will install MW 1.16
 * As per skin - what are the problems? maybe together we can fix them?
 * Thanks for the pictures. We need more of the clean (with no customization) pics to see how it should look like. AWAMember 17:03, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * here are all the pages that asshole wikia staff member redirected.
 * These photos may help looking for footer pictures.
 * Here is one from sannse herself: http://nwn2.wikia.com/wiki/File:NWN2_Monaco.png
 * Anno1404 17:39, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

existing problems with Monaco port
Thanks for the offer to help AWA!

Out of the box, on deadrisingwiki.com:
 * 1) the "more" button at the top does not work. (does not work on club penguin either)
 * 2)      on the bottom of the page. I have been looking at seahorseruler's edits on how he fixed this at club penguin.


 * Fixed with latest version. Anno1404 21:29, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

I will let you know anything else. Thank you. Anno1404 17:35, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I've created an account at deadrisingwiki.com, contact me there if you need help with monaco setup. Power to the People! (MAKE a effort) 18:27, 14 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The more button doesn't work because none of the js has been ported. This also means that the sub-menus inside the sidebar don't work. Those also need some extra work because Wikia used some ajax junk. And then there is the pile of junk left lying around the skin, and overall bad programming job Wikia did in actually building the skin. That's basically why I said it's not ready to use as a skin. The footer stuff has already been fixed inside the skin itself. 96.48.209.185 19:29, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * thank you dantman. this is such an incredible gift to the mediawiki community!
 * @ power I also just emailed User_talk:Seahorseruler. I would love all the question answered here, if that is okay, so others can benefit. But I will respond to you on deadrisingwiki.com also. Anno1404 20:21, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

monaco-port => Monaco

 * Note: Portions of this section is NO LONGER needed with the latest version of the monaco-port. See install instructions below. Anno1404 21:26, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Here we can add the info about how to configure the wikia with the monaco-port skin (File:Monaco-port.jpg) to make it look like Monaco.

To replace "" with "Create a new article": 1) Install Extension:Uniwiki_CreatePage 2) Go to the MediaWiki:Dynamic-links-write-article page on your wiki and add the text for link article creation link.

To replace "" with "Upload a new image": Go to the MediaWiki:Dynamic-links-add-image page on your wiki and add the text for image upload link, "Upload Image" Example To create a toolbox replace the contents of wiki/MediaWiki:Monaco-toolbox with recentchanges-url|recentchanges randompage-url|randompage specialpages-url|specialpages helppage|help

Trying to make this toolbox show. AWAMember 09:34, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * See also Help:Toolbox. Anno1404 23:27, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The toolbox may take a while to show up. Try logging out and then logging back in. Power to the People! (MAKE a effort) 13:17, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes it works. Thanks. AWAMember 17:03, 14 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The port now has those MW messages inside of it so you don't need to add them yourself. Though you might want to customize your monaco-sidebar and monaco-toolbox of course. Installing an extension to take the place of Special:CreatePage also isn't necessary, the skin has been tweaked to simply not show that button if there is no CreatePage special page. 96.48.209.185 19:26, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * thank you so much Dantman. shouldn't the folder be named monaco, not "style"?
 * This is not working for me now, only see monobook, I am running 1.16:
 * I moved the folder "style" to my skins folder.
 * moved the four other files to my skins folder.
 * Doesn't work. Anyone else try this newest version at https://github.com/dantman/monaco-port ? Does it work for you?
 * thanks again. Anno1404 20:27, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * No, you're supposed to check the port out to skins/monaco/ and add `require_once("$IP/monaco/monaco.php");` to your LocalSettings.php, it's in the README and explained a few sections above. 96.48.209.185 21:06, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I will rewrite instructions. Anno1404 21:24, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Installed the new skin but I see no "Upload a new image" link: http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/4335/boxiy.jpg. AWAMember 07:59, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Strange, did you add the name to MediaWiki:Dynamic-links-write-article?

http://deadrisingwiki.com/wiki/Dead_Rising_Wiki works. Anno1404 14:56, 15 December 2010 (UTC)


 * MediaWiki:Dynamic-links-write-article is responsible for "Create a new article". MediaWiki:Dynamic-links-add-image is responsible for uploading images and this page already had a "Upload a new image" text when I installed the skin. AWAMember 15:28, 15 December 2010 (UTC).

Monaco installation instructions
Moved to Monaco skin Anno1404 15:10, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

All Monaco help files which a wikia staff member redirected
I asked admin air777 to ask the shoutwiki staff to upload the Monaco help files which a wikia staff member redirected on wikia:

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B3MLj1JyAiwoNGZhZWJkMmItYTQzZS00YjMyLWIzMzAtY2E3NzRhZWM1YzYx&sort=name&layout=list&num=50

I think it would be a good idea to have a home for these here.

Anno1404 22:36, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The Club Penguin Wiki Network would gladly help out. Just let us know. We'll set up a site. Power to the People! (MAKE a effort) 01:10, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

removed unused "more" button on monaco
The more button currently does not work.

In Monaco.skin.php:

Remove:

text('blankimg') ?>" />

To get rid of it. Anno1404 23:58, 16 December 2010 (UTC)


 * We need to the soultion how to make it work. When working, this button gives access to Preferences/Blog and 1 more page I can`t remember the name. AWAMember 04:27, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't have the skills to do this. I was just going to try and add it to the toolbar instead. But I am struggling with that too. Maybe you know a programmer who can help? Anno1404 19:00, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Don`t know anyone. Maybe we will find the solution in the internet. AWAMember 20:12, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I was thinking of contacting the World of warcraft wiki. they have some real skill editors. I have created a newsletter which I was hoping to send out to all of the wikis when done. Anno1404 21:29, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, we gonna need some help in skin configuring. AWAMember 11:17, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Newsletter/Draft
I am planning on sending this out to the 43 former wikias which left later tonight, if you have anything you would like to add be bold and add it, or have any suggestions, please let me know. Anno1404 22:07, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Greetings
I am a former (prior to being banned) Admin from the Talisman Online Wiki on Wikia, which successfully moved to Curse.com (along with Wowpedia, GWiki, and PVX Wiki). While I understand your reasoning to a point, there also comes a time where you have to say enough is enough. Wikia has shot itself in the foot with this change. They have lost their credibility with most major gaming companies, so I would guess that the Gaming branch of Wikia will continue to see a decline. The remaining wikis on Wikia will either adapt to the changes that Wikia has forced, or they will also fork to other hosts. The loss of WoWWiki's community, as well as the backing from Blizzard was a major blow to Wikia, and I believe it will not be the last as more of the larger wikis get fed up and leave. For myself however, there is no further planned involvement with Wikia, I am happy with the move to Curse, and am focusing on continuing the work on the Talisman Online Wiki, and I'm sure that Talisman Online@Wikia will simply fade into the obscurity that it enjoyed prior to my adoption of the site. Like Blizzard, Miracle Castle (the publisher of Talisman Online) has fully supported our move and corrected the fansite links on their website. I do not see any need to further campaign against Wikia, their bottom line will show the rewards of their callous treatment of their volunteer communities one way or another and my time and energy is better spent supporting my community (tiny though it is) as well as providing support for other Curse.com wikis (I am now a contracted member of the Curse.com team). I wish you all luck but would seriously recommend you do the same... focus on supporting your communities wherever they are, and let Wikia continue to dig it's own grave. --Wynthyst 08:18, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for visiting and taking the time to comment.
 * A lot of editors still want to leave and are in the process of building their wikis on their own. The founders of this alliance were wise enough to foresee the need for a list of departing wikias who could help each other. At this point, I see this site as a way to help departing wikias and give advice and viable options to those who still want to leave.
 * I am very thankful for this site, long after wikia was instituted and I was indefinitely banned, I found out about the new monaco skin available to wikis, and because of this, we are able to work together too merge two former wikias into one.
 * I respect your desire to focus your energies on building your site alone. I hope you can see the merits of some editors wanting to expand that circle of assistance, to help other communities too.
 * I will let you focus solely on building your site, and will not post future newsletters on your site.
 * Congratulations on your move. Visiting your site I noticed it is one of the best designed sites, in the top three. I only wish your community the best. Anno1404 08:34, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the compliment on our site, and should other gaming wikis be looking for a new home on a full blown gaming network, they should feel free to contact me. My above comments were meant more as a caution to you and your alliance against taking further steps to intentionally disrupt Wikia (the inclusion of the code in the newsletter that you admit will get you banned on wikia). It really serves little purpose. I do applaud your wish to be a resource of advice and support to other communities considering a move from Wikia. My suggestion would be to use other means (email where available) to contact the leaders of those communities who are voicing their concerns about wikia and beginning discussions regarding the possibilities of leaving. Continuing to monitor the status of the wikias that have been "left" by their communities only furthers to strengthen their numbers, rather than allowing them to fall into disrepair and eventual obscurity. It's clear that Wikia's position and policy has changed greatly since Jimmy Wales' interview that you quoted in the newsletter and it is also clear to me that they will actually consider legal action against people they believe are intentionally trying to "damage" them since they have no intention of allowing anyone to "take their content with them when they leave". Or rather you can take a copy of it, but you have to leave the original behind. I'm just suggesting caution. As for the "rest" of my community.. it consists of 3 friends of mine and me. I don't believe for a second that Wikia cares one wit that we left, and they have 1800 more pages about the game Talisman Online than they did when I started, but that's all they will ever have. --Wynthyst 15:23, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Excellent points, you seem like a really good admin, I will take your great advice to heart sir. Anno1404 19:42, 18 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I support Wyn's comment: the new changes are no longer new &mdash; those who are willing to stay and adapt are doing so; those unwilling to suffer have moved or are trying to do so. The biggest weapon in AWA's arsenal is to make it easy for those groups to find a new home, move their data, and get their new site into shape. Any energy spent dissing Wikia takes time away from Allies in the alliance. 75.36.181.33 20:44, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree, thus the newsletter. We have been actively working to help editors find that new home. I got indefinitely banned, not for dissing wikia, but for letting communities know that shoutwiki has wikia, giving editors an alternative.
 * RE: "it is also clear to me that they will actually consider legal action against people they believe are intentionally trying to "damage" them"
 * Wow, any examples? If you come across them, I would be very interested.
 * it is heartening to see over a month since the new skin, and communities continue to leave. Anno1404 20:55, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Fixed Monaco p-personal (header)
I always hated the "more" button on wikia monaco. I was able to not only delete the non-functional more button, but I was able tonight to replace restore the "my contribution" and "preferences" links at the top of the page by editing Monaco.skin.php. Picture: http://gyazo.com/e9eb193a22b1010d6892b12fd89de89d.png

here is the relevant deletions and additions for future reference:

Anno1404 10:03, 19 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Good work! Now we can easily access to those pages!
 * Just one question: After the file modification, I got this picture of the question mark in the black square: http://7340.iz.piccy.info.nyud.net/i5/40/73/857340/Question.jpg. Do you know how to remove it? AWAMember 11:38, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I am not sure how. I would suggest looking through the old help items for information about the Help:Sidebar (which you were awesome enough to export).
 * I cannot find any relevant fix in the above monaco.skin.php file, but it could be in the other two.
 * strange, mine didn't do that: http://gyazo.com/6e31d311402399a5bed51114789fee27.png
 * but since the community button is now worthless too, because the .js (JavaScript) was never ported, it should be removed anyway.
 * Not having the .js ported actually turned out to be a blessing in disguise for me personally. The "more" header and the hidden toolbox where two feature I really hated.
 * All i did was a very slow and tedious experiment in reverse engineering.
 * try editing MediaWiki:Monaco-sidebar per instructions in Help:Sidebar. Anno1404 18:23, 19 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I found what is that. This picture appeared in the place where Monaco skin had the ">" button (See File:Default sidebar.png) - when you move your mouse over that element you see some new menu items (see the screenshot from http://premium.shoutwiki.com when using Monaco: http://9761.iz.piccy.info.nyud.net/i5/61/97/859761/premium.jpg). But for some reason instead of those ">" you can mouse over, I got this question mark. Maybe Monaco-port doesn`t supports those buttons? AWAMember 18:53, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Incorrect info
The information you have on the alternative wiki hosts seem wrong?

---

It also seems biased towards shoutwiki. I guess that's okay seeing as this wiki is hosted there, but please don't disparage other hosts unnecessarily.

eg, Wikkii is not 1GB space, its unlimited. And not 10GB bandwidth, it's unlimited.

You also say about Wikkii "First edit on the wiki main page was only in June 2009, so may not be there in the long term. (Many of these sites don't last)"

But you also recommend Shoutwiki which was started April 2009, a whole TWO MONTHS before. That doesn't make sense.

And what about these really big wiki hosts you don't list, like Wikihost.org, Wikidot.com, atwiki.com, bluwiki.com, editthis.info. They all have been around for AGES compared to Shoutwiki and Wikkii but you don't suggest them.
 * you can add all of that information --including warning about shoutwiki too. We welcome it. Anno1404 05:28, 21 December 2010 (UTC)


 * We can add the info from http://editthis.info/wiki/wiki_hosting_comparison_guide. Perhaps we can also add the info about the MW version used. AWAMember (Talk page, Mail me). 19:12, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Monaco Is up!
See http://blog.shoutwiki.com/2010/12/merry-christmas/ --Hockeyben 00:14, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Monaco: Fixing internet explorer view
If you may have noticed, with Dantman's monaco port internet explorer font is really small and is too close to the border.

I just spoke with dear Dantman, author of the monaco port, and he told me how to fix this, it takes less than a minute!

—Anno1404 (talk • contribs) 04:21, 22 December 2010 (UTC)


 * That WASN'T how to "fix" it, that was a test to see if what you reported was nothing but yet another item that was already on the todo list to fix... That skin is NOT ready for use, the js has NOT been ported, and that issue would have already disappeared by the time the skin was ready to use. Adding that does nothing but make a mess that will probably be left behind when you get around to updating to the finished skin when it's ready. 96.48.209.185 03:44, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

observations about the Monaco port

 * unneeded items in the Monaco port:

Looking over the coding and talking to Dantman, currently all of the js files are unused, so the monaco/style/js folder is worthless. That means if we want a dynamic navigation sidebar, our only hope is creating it on MediaWiki:Monaco.js

I also noticed that monaco.php has the following line:
 * $wgMonacoTheme = "sapphire"; // load a pre-made Monaco theme from the styles folder

This is where an editor could upload different skin folders, otherwise, I see no use for the monaco/style/ skin folders either. —Anno1404 (talk • contribs) 04:30, 22 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The js is not "worthless" it's not ported, your "only hope" is not custom site scripts, it's perfectly possible to fix that js to actually have a functionally dynamic navigation sidebar... it's just NOT READY. 96.48.209.185 03:46, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Christmas
Kinda funny, for Christmas shoutwiki gives us Monaco skin, and wikia gives us some lame contests. (talk • contribs) Admin.svg 04:32, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Here is the link http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Sarah_Manley/Happy_Holidays_from_Wikia. --Hockeyben 20:44, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

The only difference I have noticed between shoutwikis and wikias Monaco is the recent activity menu, and there is no create a page tab. Hockeyben 04:20, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

should awa have monaco as default?
It seems like the site which is against changing from monaco on wikia should have monaco. Would we want to make this the default skin? (anyone can change to Monaco right now) We can always unsubscribe after 6 months when it is paid. thoughts?

On the right is how AWA looks in Monaco. Anyone can edit in that skin by changing the defaults right now.

Go to preferences >> skin >> click Monaco and click save. —Anno1404 (talk • contribs) 16:51, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Why do you say "against changing from monaco"? It offers Monaco for all wikias now. AWAMember (Talk page, Mail me). 18:12, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I mean as the default skin here. sorry i was not clear.  —Anno1404 <small vertical-align="center">(talk • contribs) Admin.svg 21:37, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Then the answer is Yes. We have Monaco and we must show to everyone this our advantage. Let everyone know they can get Monaco if they move their wikia here. AWAMember (Talk page, Mail me). 04:35, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

changing background of Monaco on non-shoutwiki Monaco wikis
At Mediawiki:Monaco.css add this:

background-color: red; }
 * 1) page {

On shoutwiki and on wikia before, they used #article, but it does not work on Dantman's monaco port.

This will change the background on the articles.

Also:


 * http://deadrisingwiki.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Monaco.css

I added A LOT of notes on what line specifically does what. —Anno1404 <small vertical-align="center">(talk • contribs) 21:56, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

UserScript?
Here is a userscript/userjs to redirect hyperlinks to the wikis left by AWA members to their new sites Script You may edit and use.
 * thank you.  —Anno1404 <small vertical-align="center">(talk • contribs) Admin.svg 16:24, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Monaco features
Hello. I have small question about Monaco features.

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/9760/screenwgb.jpg

After skin installation this features are disable or not exist. How I can install this components of Monaco skin on my wiki?

(Sorry, if my english is not very good, I am not native english speaker). --Migel 19:56, 23 December 2010 (UTC)


 * If you are talking about the Dantman Monaco then you have the same problem as I - this "hovering" feature seems not to work on this skin :(. AWAMember (Talk page, Mail me). 04:38, 24 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I am talking about Dantman Monaco. I want to use some Monaco's features, that using on Shotwiki Wiki Service:
 * Dynamic sidebar parts.
 * "Community" box.
 * Dynamic "MORE..." menu in user panel etc.


 * But I dont know how I can activate it. I think that it may be functions of special extension. --Migel 13:41, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I really don't see why so much pain about Monaco, having Monobook as a powerful, accessible and customizable, with a sidebar like Monaco: --Ciencia Al Poder 16:15, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I would prefer monobook too, but some editors, that is all they have ever known.  —Anno1404 <small vertical-align="center">(talk • contribs) Admin.svg 16:25, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Monobook is Ok, but Monaco is better.
 * Migel, I think those features are unique for ShoutWiki Monaco skin may be availbale only for wikias here. "MORE" button used to work on wikia.com but is not currently supported by Dantman skin version. AWAMember (Talk page, Mail me). 17:03, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Oasis on Sickapedia
For all Oasis haters, here you go. <font face="times new roman">Space! Wait, whut?! 00:32, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * awesome! maybe we should add that to the Mediawiki:sitenotice? thoughts?  —Anno1404 <small vertical-align="center">(talk • contribs) Admin.svg 16:26, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

More Dantman monoaco skin background issues fixed
I notice with the shoutwiki monaco, .color changes the top header, the left and right of the article background, and the bottom.

Not so yet with Dantman's monaco skin.

Add This to: MediaWiki:Monaco.css

.monaco_shrinkwrap { background-color: #4F4F4F; } /* Unique fix for space below the toolbar, right and left background of article */

—Anno1404 <small vertical-align="center">(talk • contribs) 16:32, 24 December 2010 (UTC)