Talk:Forked wikis

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Fix logo
Can someobody fix the logo from the Russian WoW? It's way to big. At least on my screen.--Station7 15:45, November 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. It was a bug, as always.Strizh (talk) 18:15, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks ;) --Station7 18:46, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

Winx Wiki
I just hear that Winx possibly will moving. But it did already go to ShoutWiki!--Station7 15:19, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Number of active users

 * How to count them? Those signed in moving discussion or just a number from Special:Statistics? (last one includes even those who did one vandal edit last month). 13:32, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * You can use Special:ListUsers and select "Contributed 100 times or more" for a rough guideline. ~Michael von Preußen
 * Then all counts in this table must be calculated using this method. Also, is it good to write "200 users are leaving" when 30 only signed in "leave or not" voting? Wikia may then say "you see, you don't represent the community, the majority wants to stay on Wikia". Even if this "majority" was inactive for years and did exactly 100 edits. :-( 19:14, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

Linking support
Every moved wiki is encouraged to add invisible links (without rel=nofollow) to all the others (e.g. via interwiki links on 2-4 pages). Thus we will help each other to recover our positions in the search engines. Google likes sites that are linked to, you know. 19:22, October 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've added such links to Absurdopedia. 19:40, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

Quick creation of interwiki map
INSERT INTO interwiki VALUES ('transformers', 'http://tfwiki.net/wiki/$1', 0, 0); INSERT INTO interwiki VALUES ('wikifur', 'http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/$1', 0, 0); INSERT INTO interwiki VALUES ('ssb', 'http://www.ssbwiki.com/$1', 0, 0); INSERT INTO interwiki VALUES ('apple', 'http://techessentials.org/apple/$1', 0, 0); INSERT INTO interwiki VALUES ('casualty', 'http://casualty.shoutwiki.com/wiki/$1', 0, 0); INSERT INTO interwiki VALUES ('clubpenguin', 'http://clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/$1', 0, 0); INSERT INTO interwiki VALUES ('piki', 'http://pikminwiki.com/$1', 0, 0); INSERT INTO interwiki VALUES ('pikifan', 'http://fanon.pikminwiki.com/$1', 0, 0); INSERT INTO interwiki VALUES ('absurdopedia', 'http://absurdopedia.net/wiki/$1', 0, 0); INSERT INTO interwiki VALUES ('deviousmud', 'http://deviousmud.shoutwiki.com/wiki/$1', 0, 0); INSERT INTO interwiki VALUES ('simpsons', 'http://simpsons.shoutwiki.com/wiki/$1', 0, 0); INSERT INTO interwiki VALUES ('asheron', 'http://ac.wikkii.net/wiki/$1', 0, 0); INSERT INTO interwiki VALUES ('gta', 'http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/$1', 0, 0); INSERT INTO interwiki VALUES ('talisman', 'http://talismanonlinewiki.com/wiki/$1', 0, 0); INSERT INTO interwiki VALUES ('sosdancn', 'http://wiki.sosdancn.org/index.php?title=$1', 0, 0); INSERT INTO interwiki VALUES ('nethack', 'http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/$1', 0, 0);
 * Could you please show me how to do that? What do we insert it into? -- † TurtleShroom™! Jesus Loves You and Died for You!! † :) :) OASIS?! DO NOT WANT; DO NOT WANT!! Come, my friends! Together, we shall make a new look for Wikia! We shall make... THE OASIS!! 21:19, October 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's for "your-own-servers" wikis. If you use wiki hosting, try Special:Interwiki on it. 04:16, October 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Updated. ԓ 20:46, October 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Now on one of my projects' wikis: http://desert.sourceforge.net/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=historysubmit&diff=4&oldid=3 ԓ 20:54, October 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Added SOS団 Wiki, and added interwiki and hidden links below to ours. ~ Michael von Preußen (voicemail)
 * Club Penguin Wiki has joined! Power to the People! 02:01, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

The code to insert links
transformers:ssb:apple:casualty: clubpenguin:piki:pikifan:absurdopedia: deviousmud:simpsons:asheron:nethack: gta:talisman:sosdancn:
 * Updated. ԓ 20:52, October 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Does Google really like invisible links?
 * See nethack:User:Paxed/Vector_adlink for example code how to link a random wiki in the footer of all pages. --Tjr 20:52, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

A small SEO tip
Don't place them all at one page. Better add them to several pages in one-click from the mainpage: 3-4 links for each. Especially good if there're no interwikis there. 17:41, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

This thing's width is obnoxiously big
I can't even get the full page to fit on MONACO. Is the number of active users thing necessary? Way too much info. And don't tell me to get a bigger screen.  --Havoc '48   21:44, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

PokeFanon Wiki
While the whole wiki hasn't been moved, my pages on the Pokemon Fanon Wiki (Wikia) have been moved to a new site here on ShoutWiki. I'm in the process of trying to delete my pages on Wikia.--BlueSilver 20:07, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

rename to "moved wikis"
Can I suggest renaming this to Moved wikis? Anno1404 22:46, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * well, five days later, and no response, I am going to go ahead and move Link Database to Moved Wikis. Anno1404 09:56, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Gintama Wiki
AFAIK, Gintama Wiki (http://gintama.wikia.com/wiki/Gintama_Wiki) has moved to http://gintama.wikkii.net/wiki/Gintama_銀魂. (As the founder, Gin-san, states: "I am currently active only on gintama.wikkii.net & not on gintama.wikia.com anymore.").

As for leaving date: wikia.com to wikkii.com migration initiated 30 May 2010 On 5th August he posted a "Application for New Wiki Administrators now OPEN". message (http://gintama.wikia.com/wiki/User:Gin-san)

Have no additional info. AWAMember 20:08, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

wikis which need to maybe reconsider login procedures
Going through some of these wikis I just scratch my head at how difficult it is to log in to edit.


 * 1) http://neukolumbia.shoutwiki.com/ is completely closed to editing and editors cannot even see any pages.
 * 2) http://wiki.sosdancn.org/ "To obtain a user account, you must request one."
 * 3) http://animalcrossingwiki.me/ 	 will not allow editing to even new registered editors, and have a completely separate forum in which new editors have to be approved.
 * 4) http://nethackwiki.com/ asks the most absurd CAPTCHA questions I have ever read: What symbol represents a wand? What symbol represents a spellbook? What symbol represents a scroll? I have NO idea what this stupid captcha is asking.
 * 5)  http://www.dragon-quest.org/ forces editors not only to add an email address, but to confirm the email address before they can edit.

These setups are potentially bad for the future of these wikis. Anno1404 07:44, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, Nethackwiki's CAPTCHA sounds like it makes perfect sense. Those are questions unique to information in the game Nethack, so anyone knowledgeable enough about the game to edit the wiki effectively should and already would know the answers. --67.252.49.31 09:00, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you anon for explaning this too me.
 * Lets say i am not familiar with the game, or just learning about the game, and say some grammatical errors I wanted to correct. This system would not let me.
 * What I love about wikis is how open they are too allow anyone edit, like yourself anon here. That is the strength of wikis.
 * I am posting this to say "hey there are better alternatives out there", in the hope that these wikis will reconsider. In business they say for every complaint there are 30 people who went away unhappy who didn't complain. The Economist magazine wrote that Americans get better service that the Brits because they complain more.
 * I understand that vandalism is an issue, that is why Captchas, which many sites have are needed. Anyway. I hope this helps. :\ Anno1404 10:22, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You have to understand a lot of these wikis focus around areas of knowledge that are very specialist-detailed, so to speak. And some like the Nethack wiki are also already mostly complete. So I could see them being willing to sacrifice the occasional drive-by grammar editing in favor of not needing to vet as much not just vandalism, but people adding incorrect edits because they don't actually know the subject enough.
 * It's like saying that a wiki devoted to rocket science should be fully open, when that would actually be bad. Because while many people might visit to learn, few of them will likely to be versed enough to edit effectively. And those who are would be able to answer rocket science-related CAPTCHA questions easily.
 * TBH, going on just your description here anyway, Nethack's questions are even actually fairly easy. I've only played the game a little bit, but that was enough to know what they're asking, and from there looking up the answer on the wiki itself would be simple. Someone who's expert would more just be able to answer from memory. (I could explain the matter in a couple sentences, really, but I don't know how much that'd defeat their purpose.)
 * I know the TFWiki's toyed sometimes with locking down anon editing because the ratio of actual good anon edits vs. bad ones is pretty terrible. But in the end we decided we had enough frequent regulars that we could deal with it. Other wikis, especially smaller ones, may not. --67.252.49.31 18:26, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I toned down what i wrote after some thought. thank you for your comments. Anno1404 22:51, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Welcome. :) I do think #1 seems rather bizarre to me, but since it's not obvious what the wiki is even about, I suppose it could be an intentionally private wiki. (I have such a thing for my personal RP group, although even that is at least viewable to the public.) #2 sounds like it might be a wiki for some kind of private RP clan for a game, which could certainly explain their being closed. #4 & 5 don't bother me at all based on my reasoning above.
 * # 3, however, I admit I do find odd. It seems at first glance like a normal wiki for a non-private game, so I don't know why they'd be that heavily restricted with their vetting process. *shrug?* --67.252.49.31 22:05, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Anno also complained about CPW and AW.


 * In the case of the Club Penguin Wiki:
 * They signed up successfully, but at creation birthday was left at 2010. I removed the flag.
 * They hit our spam filter (really the SpamBlacklist extension)
 * ...and complained on the main page's talk
 * ...and a staffer replied and told him to use the forums.
 * In the case of AppleWiki, he couldn't sign up. No worry, sign up at the TechEssentials wiki and go there

Power to the People! (MAKE a effort) 20:53, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * i think in the case of club penguin there was some page errors. I hope my suggestions helped :) Anno1404 22:48, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Login is too important to be buried in this talk page. The same thing goes for the interwiki table, which avoids rel="nofollow". I propose collecting such things in post-move checklist or a similar article.

"hey there are better alternatives out there" - please name them.

NetHack wiki needs the constant influx of new players. Everybody starts out as a newbie, and most editors' interests shift to something different after a few months. By all means, suggestions are welcome how to make login easy and spam-free. See nethack:NetHackWiki:Community_Portal. --Tjr 04:22, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Heya.
Excuse me, but is there any objection to me adding Illogicopedia to this list? I know it moved before Oasis came out, but it's still a moved wiki!

Also, I'm moving my Sickapedia wiki from Wikia to ShoutWiki. May I add that?

Thank you. --Space! Wait, whut?! 20:15, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. Power to the People! (MAKE a effort) 20:54, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * yes please. Anno1404 22:53, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Illogicopedia.org's host should probably be listed not as caratnetworks.com (a co-location provider, but not the owner of the server) but as uncyclomedia.org (Uncyclopedia's Babel Project, which hosts various non-Wikia portions of that project like Desciclopédia.pt and Uncyclopedia.tw). The whoishostingthis.com server only indicates who owns the block of IP addresses, not who owns an individual server. --66.102.83.61 18:35, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Just a question
Just a question: What if I don't know how many pages were on the wiki when it moved? (Illogicopedia has been left up for the vandals, so I wouldn't know.)

Also, I have finally finished moving Sickapedia, but I left the old site up (for the vandals!) so feel free to dump on it as much as you please.

Thank you,

--Space! Wait, whut?! 03:28, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * on the crappy new skin: 118 pages on this wiki. picture: http://gyazo.com/48ff6a74c7d87e6b58917d552a2ce6ec.png
 * users is found at Special:ListUsers
 * wikia they won't let you take it down anyway. Anno1404 03:29, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Actually, there is one instance in which a wiki did get away from Wikia with the old wiki taken down: Spanking Art. There's is a special case as Wikia dropped them in response to a campaign by Wikipedia Review trolls gathering screenshots of articles depicting random boy scouts alongside text about the eroticisation of spanking, all of it plastered with Wikia's infamous commercial display adverts for various products. The WR chaps threatened to send the whole mess to the advertisers. :) Most others are not so lucky... the ones who left voluntarily have almost always had to cope with Wikia operating the old, abandoned wiki in direct competition with the community's new site off-Wikia. --66.102.83.61 18:29, 12 February 2012 (UTC)